Word for word, a Brooklyn stage is replaying one of the AIDS era’s most painful arguments. “Kramer/Fauci,” a re-creation of a 1993 C-SPAN interview, has returned to St. Ann’s Warehouse after a run this past winter at New York University’s Skirball Center in Greenwich Village. The New York Times reports that the production signals the AIDS era’s return to cultural consciousness.
In the original interview, playwright and activist Larry Kramer fought with, praised and criticized his friend and adversary Anthony Fauci, then head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Kramer repeatedly called AIDS the “plague.” He urged Fauci to act.
A Moment of Desperation
Director Daniel Fish made imaginative changes to the staging, including a machine that spews foam to represent a growing sense of catastrophe. But he kept the transcript intact. Actors Will Brill, playing Fauci, and Thomas Jay Ryan, playing Kramer, wore earpieces carrying the original audio so they wouldn’t omit a single word.
That fidelity matters. The performance holds the audience inside one moment. Kramer knew he was H.I.V. positive. He was at an emotional low, fighting for his life while expecting he’d likely lose that battle. The debate took place a dozen years into the crisis, when Fauci’s defense of scientific and bureaucratic processes was beginning to sound hollow to desperate people. Hope that Bill Clinton’s election as president would change everything faded before Clinton completed his first year in office.
Who Fills the Seats
The audience at the performance described by the writer crossed generations in a community still carrying its history. It included survivors, former and current AIDS activists, gay historians, academics and writers. Veterans of Queer Nation and Gay Men’s Health Crisis attended, including people who had known Kramer, fought alongside him, or been dressed down, inspired or alienated by him. Fauci attended opening night.
The theater also held LGBTQ people in their 30s and 40s, along with NYU students too young to remember the period. One student said he was studying Kramer’s 1985 play “The Normal Heart” in a 20th-century queer-literature class. He saw “Kramer/Fauci” as an unearthed artifact and a chance to examine something real.
The setting carried its own weight. Kramer lived with his husband, David Webster, near the theater, a short walk from the Center, the gay and lesbian community space where he proposed forming the activist coalition ACT UP in 1987. Kramer died at 84 in 2020.
A Shared Lineage
The article describes the AIDS era as the pandemic’s first 15 years. When relief came, it says, many gay people were grateful to push that time to the back of their minds. Yet gay men of almost any age understand themselves as living somewhere on the timeline of the crisis that once defined their community. AIDS remains shared history and common lineage: for people who lost loved ones, and for those who know H.I.V. as a manageable condition that once meant a death sentence.
Much recent artistic work carries a sense of mission: to keep the struggle from fading into abstraction.
The distance is real. Forty-five years have passed since the initial reports of what was then described as a “rare cancer,” when the syndrome had no name or known cause. Three decades have passed since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced a turning point in the United States. For the first time, the number of Americans who died from AIDS and related causes, though still in the tens of thousands, had fallen substantially from the previous year. The article credits antiretroviral therapy with that change; it allowed many gay men to replace fear with hope.
Why This Matters: The staging of “Kramer/Fauci” puts a hard question before a new audience: what happens when people in crisis are told to trust slow institutions? Kramer’s pleas, and the sense that bureaucratic caution sounded hollow to desperate people, remain here without edits. For younger audiences who know H.I.V. as manageable, the production records how the burden fell on one community and how activism pushed public institutions to respond. The article’s central point is that medical progress and memory are linked. Antiretroviral therapy turned fear into hope, but artists and audiences returning to this history are working to keep the human stakes from fading into abstraction.
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